Obama Surrogate: Clinton like 'Mamie Eisenhower'

Just caught this over at Steve Clemons' place, The Washington Note. Brief summary: Clemons -- an admirer of both Obama (although not an endorser) and Carter NSA Zbigniew Brzezinski -- thought it was wrong for Brzezinski to equate Hillary Clinton to Mamie Eisenhower on MSNBC's Morning Joe program:


Brzezinski provocatively compared Hillary Clinton to Mamie Eisenhower in his commentary and suggested that despite Clinton traveling to more than 80 countries during her First Lady tenure (Brzezinski said his travel agent has been to 150), he said that it's basically like John F. Kennedy being faced by a challenge from Mamie Eisenhower.

I like Brzezinski a great deal as well, and I don't have a problem with his comparison of Obama to JFK (myself: not that big a JFK fan, but you can't win 'em all). Comparing Clinton to Mamie Eisenhower, however, seems way out-of-bounds and ultimately out-of-character for Brzezinski. The question that comes to mind: does the Mamie Eisenhower line reflect a newer, harder-edged angle of attack from the Obama campaign? As a matter of political strategy, is this about winning back support among white working class men who may have gone over to HRC in the aftermath of Wright-gate?

Clemons defends Clinton in his post:


I am a devoted Brzezinski fan -- and his critique of Hillary Clinton's Iraq War positions are similar to my own -- but I differ from him on the Mamie Eisenhower front. Hillary Clinton is a policy junky. Although Ike's First Lady was a well respected hostess for what was then an unprecedented number of global leaders calling on one of the great American generals turned president of the era, no one would have found Mamie Eisenhower drilling down deep into public policy complexities like Hillary Clinton is known to do.

Brzezinski also fails to note that Hillary Clinton is not only a US Senator (Liddy Dole is too after all) -- Clinton is considered by Republicans and Democrats to be one of the few who actually excel in their Senate responsibilities and Senate-craft.

Link to the full interview with Brzezinski



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The man's a liability (2.00 / 0)

He's the guy who orchestrated the failed hostage rescue.

He single handedly made sure Carter was a one term president.

Republicans will use Z-big against Obama when the time comes.


by Edgar08 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:48:14 PM EST

Re: Obama Surrogate: Clinton like (2.00 / 1)

The question that comes to mind: does the Mamie Eisenhower line reflect a newer, harder-edged angle of attack from the Obama campaign? As a matter of political strategy, is this about winning back support among white working class men who may have gone over to HRC in the aftermath of Wright-gate?

Right. I'm definitely not pointing fingers at anybody, but would anyone be terribly surprised if Obama told Brzezinski to say that? Let's see whether Obama lets this go (the way he did with Jesse Jackson, Jr.'s Katrina comments), or whether he comes out and openly disagrees with the statement. This does seem a little out of character for Brzezinski, so chances are, this was planned. Or even if it wasn't planned, Obama will decide it acts to his advantage (belittling her probably can't do anything but help him) and fail to disavow it.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:04:15 PM EST

Re: Obama Surrogate: Clinton like (2.00 / 3)

This statement strikes me as the worst kind of sexism imaginable.  Despite Hillary Clinton's very long history of activism and policy development, despite the fact that she has 6 more years experience in the Senate than Barack Obama....

How is it Obama gets compared to JFK while HRC get's compared to Mamie Eisenhower?  

(Sounds a lot like "...Jesse Jackson won South Carolina..." to me).


The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.
by mtnspirit on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:12:41 PM EST
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This statement strikes me as the worst kind of sexism imaginable

Certainly seems that way. That's why I'm wondering if Brzezinski was just free-lancing or if we start seeing this rhetoric from other Obama surrogates.


by blueflorida on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:18:44 PM EST
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It's not out of character, Brzezinski has always been more than a little sexist. I don't think it's a hanging offense, but then that is one reason I don't support the campaign that manufactures outrage over every biased statement.


by souvarine on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:14:21 PM EST
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Re: Obama Surrogate: Clinton like 'Mamie Eisenhowe (1.00 / 2)

As in they were both first ladies. Sheesh, folks, get a grip! Not everything is an insult to Hillary.
by Becky G on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:07:05 PM EST

Re: Obama Surrogate: Clinton like 'Mamie Eisenhowe (2.00 / 1)

But this clearly is.  It implies that Barack Obama's experience FAR outweighs Hillary Clinton's, when the exact opposite is true.  It boils down the entire history of her political career into only one trivializing identifyer -- "first lady."  Meanwhile, it's comparing Barack Obama to JFK.


The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.
by mtnspirit on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:15:10 PM EST
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Re: Obama Surrogate: Clinton like 'Mamie Eisenhowe (none / 0)

Well, he is an Obama supporter and if you think everyone isn't slanting toward their own candidate you'd be delusional. For example, Clinton's people suggest her experience outweighs Obama's and it just plain doesn't. She also hasn't been a senator that long. Beyond that you're back to first lady. They have to resort to lies and truth stretching to come up with much at all.
by Becky G on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:36:26 PM EST
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Re: Obama Surrogate: Clinton like 'Mamie Eisenhowe (none / 0)

So answer this riddle, since you seem to think this Obama surrogate is justified in his statements.  Why does Barack Obama's 1 year in the US senate qualify him for a comparison to JFK while Hillary Clinton's 7 years in the senate qualify her for a comparison to Mamie Eisenhower?


The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.
by mtnspirit on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 05:05:36 PM EST
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Re: Obama Surrogate: Clinton like 'Mamie Eisenhowe (none / 0)

But this is. It's inappropriate. This is like saying, "Yes, Hillary has done some nice things and was an excellent first lady, but then again, so was Mamie. And you wouldn't elect her to the presidency, would you?"
Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:27:01 PM EST
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Re: Obama Surrogate: Clinton like 'Mamie Eisenhowe (none / 0)

And Jesse Jackson and Barack Obama were both candidates for President.  Let me know when you figure it out.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 04:19:04 PM EST
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I emailed Scarborough as this was happening (2.00 / 1)

I have to tell you: I REALLY lost respect for Brzezinski while this was going on Live.  For him to cheapshot Senator Clinton like that?  It so unbecoming of someone of his stature, and, came off borderline misogynistic.  It's was pretty bad.

And someone else had it right:  He was a big part of what many feel was one of the worst American presidencies -- Ever.  I don't believe that.  I think Carter gets some bad raps as well as some legitimate ones.  But nevertheless, Brzezinski knows how history sees it, by and large.  That's why his nonsensical comparison of Clinton's experience to his travel agent and Mimi Eisenhower was pretty pathetic.  

I hear a lot about how Obama's got the "new politics" going.  You know: no gutter crap.  I guess his supporters and advisors didn't get the memo.  And this "good cop - bad cop" routine is getting very old.  

I think it must have been awkward for Mika Brzezinski, having to hear her Dad characterize Senator Clinton in such a demeaning way.  I know (just by observing) that she's quite pro-Obama.  It's at least a little veiled, but I'd rather she just admit it, outright. But it's hard to distance yourself from your Dad's remarks if you don't at least challenge him on-air.  She lost that chance to assert herself, and that says something about her Dad/Daughter relationship, if not her cred as a <whatever adjective you want to give any cable news reader> "journalist".  


by DaTruth on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:07:18 PM EST

Re: Obama Surrogate: Clinton like Mamie... (none / 0)

Zbigniew Brzezinski is a total schmuck, and not just for that particular statement.  He was a thorn in my side during Carter and I wish he would shut up and go away.  That was a ridiculous, assenine thing to say.  


by mady on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:30:06 PM EST

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Eeesh, gross misspelling alert, that's asinine, and he really is.


by mady on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:32:14 PM EST
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More piggery (2.00 / 2)

It's bullshit on both fronts. JFK had served in the military and fought in WWII. He also served 12 years in Congress before he ran for the presidency. Obama, other than charisma factor, is not comparable to JFK.  Mamie Eisenhower did not have a dominant policy role in the White House, as every account of the Clinton White House portrays Hillary having. So Mamie is not comparable to Clinton.

Fuck these creeps. This is just one more chunk of female voters he peels aways with this misogynist crap.

This is fucking, low life, Republican rhetoric.


by Little Otter on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:40:53 PM EST

Re: Obama Surrogate: Clinton like 'Mamie Eisenhowe (none / 0)

You know...when Clinton compares Obama to Karl Rove and Ken Starr it's an "historical comparison."


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 04:28:25 PM EST

Clinton like 'Mamie Eisenhowe (none / 0)

You don't think the misogyny of this comment was worthy of Rove?


by hearthmoon on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 04:43:23 PM EST
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Re: Clinton like 'Mamie Eisenhowe (none / 0)

I don't know enough about Mamie Eisenhower to say whether this is misogynistic or not.  

I do know enough about Rove and Starr to know that comparing Obama to them is ridiculous, despite Clinton passing it off as "historical comparison."


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 08:44:20 PM EST
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Re: Clinton like 'Mamie Eisenhower' (2.00 / 1)

One of the biggest problems of Bill Clinton's presidency, if not THE biggest problem, from a public relations point of view, was that he openly gave his wife such an important role in his administration.  I remember shortly after he was inaugurated seeing bumper stickers everywhere: "Impeach Clinton--And her husband too!"  That's why it's been so disingenuous for detractors of Hillary to point to the "controversy" surrounding the Clintons as a flaw of hers.  Most of the criticism of Bill until the Lewinsky thing broke in his second term had to do with Hillary's substantive role in the administration.  So now she's "Mamie Eisenhower."  Is anyone else tired of huge lies from Republicans and Obama supporters?  This one was 9.9 on the Richter scale.


by hearthmoon on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 04:37:05 PM EST


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