Memory Lane: McCain's ancestors owned slaves

Just something to keep in mind while John McCain celebrates his family heritage in Mississippi today: his family, admittedly his great-great-grandfathers, owned and ran a north Mississippi plantation with dozens of slaves. You can even find out how many slaves they owned as of the 1860 census here [do a CTRL-F on "mccain"].

When told of this fact back in 2000, McCain replied:


"I didn't know that," McCain said in measured tones wearing a stoic expression during a midday interview, as he looked at the documents before Tuesday night's debate. "I knew they had sharecroppers. I did not know that."

This documentation includes slave schedules from Sept. 8, 1860, which list as the slave owner, "W.A. McCain." The schedules list the McCain family's slaves in the customary manner of the day -- including their age, gender and "color," labelling each either "black" or "mulatto." The slaves ranged in age from 6 months to 60 years.

"I knew we fought in the Civil War," McCain went on. "But no, I had no idea. I guess thinking about it, I guess when you really think about it logically, it shouldn't be a surprise. They had a plantation and they fought in the Civil War so I guess that it makes sense."

By the way, anyone else getting the impression that McCain is a strikingly "uncurious" guy? Anyway, read the whole Salon article about the "real" McCain family history in Mississippi.



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Re: Memory Lane: McCain's ancestors owned slaves (none / 0)

Maybe now we have a better context for understanding McCain's reluctance to denounce the Confederate flag in South Carolina in 2000.


by blueflorida on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:23:25 AM EST

McCain's ancestors may have been slavs (2.00 / 2)

I think (from his name) that McCain is probably at least of Scottish descent. Scotland (and all areas in Europe) had a 'feudal system' until around the time of te Black Death in which a great number of the population were owned by others. This system survived in various forms until the Black Death killed approx 1/3 to 1/2 of Eurpope's population, causing a shortage of labor which proved strong enough to force the feudal lords (the ancestors of today's wealthy, in many cases) to start paying people wages who previously might have been tied to the land. Later on, many of Mr. McCain's ancestors might have suffered under the Great Enclosures, in which land previously informally held in common (but which was still legally 'owned' by the descendents of the former feudal lords) was gradually brought under the till using modern farming methods, which forced millions of people off of their land and into the cities where many died, or went into debt or were arrested for stealing loaves of bread which was at some times considered to be a capital offense. Those people might have been given the choice of death by hanging or being sold into indentured servitude in the colonies.. whole families were put onto boats on which many starved or died of disease.. the survivors, when they arrived at the docks in Northern cities.. were auctioned off at the docks just as slaves were in Southern cities.. families would be separated.. About half of them survived the seven year period of indenture upon which point they were supposed to be given a fresh suit of clothes and a Bible.. Many went West, where there was still land to be 'had'.


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by architek on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:54:06 AM EST
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Oops.. forgot to mention the other part.. (none / 0)

The word 'slaves' is decended from the word 'slav' which meant "slave" to the Romans. Many of the tribes that lived to the north and east of the Roman Empire had an appetite for wine, which they would trade people for. Typically a amphora of wine (about the size of a person) would be worth the life of a young, healthy slav.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:57:08 AM EST
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Re: McCain's ancestors may have been slavs (2.00 / 1)

This is a great bit of perspective on the whole family heritage issue. Awesome.


by blueflorida on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:58:27 AM EST
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What I was trying to get at was that.. (none / 0)

these other issues, like reparations for slavery or race-based affirmative action, are not just cop-outs, they are also wasters of energy that lead down a blind alley. Actually, ist my conviction that they lead to GENOCIDE..

I feel very strongly that we need a national dialogue on ending poverty and that national dialogue needs to take into account some of the issues that are brought up really only here:

http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation. htm

about jobs and the changing nature and expectations of employment.

I think that we need to start talking about the long haul goals..

Those goals should be: Ending the worst effects of poverty, such as we could do with universal, non-job-based (free) healthcare. Enabling and incentivizing maximum flexibility and creativity as a society (which means eliminating all racism AND THE CAUSES OF IT) and especially, doing this while being fair to the most numbers of eople, both rich and poor..

Since wealth in the future under our current system, will be almost all inherited, I think we should HEAVILY tax all inheritances, and we should make up for that by reducing or eliminating taxes for 90% of Americans. We should also set up a fund that people can donate their wealth to when they die that ensures that their money is used for the purposes desired.. for example, there could be a fund for improving healthcare by building and maintaining a network of teaching hospotals that specialized in catastrophic care, schools in poor areas, etc.

people who do have incomes are making more and more, but more and more people are also making less or nothing..


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:26:59 PM EST
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Re: Memory Lane: McCain's ancestors owned slaves (2.00 / 2)

wow guilt by association is never right.

you only hurt all democrats with stuff like this


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:25:21 AM EST

Re: Memory Lane: McCain's ancestors owned slaves (none / 0)

The point isn't guilt by association...the point is that McCain should be talking about it along with retelling the story of his family's illustrious military history. It's an opportunity for leadership that he's chickening out on.


by blueflorida on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:29:09 AM EST
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Re: Memory Lane: McCain's ancestors owned slaves (2.00 / 1)

Wow.  That's a stretch!

I understand why McCain, who followed in his family's tradition of serving in the military, talks about that family tradition.  I'm certainly not going to vote for him, but let's keep it dignified and give him the respect he has earned by virtue of his military service.

McCain did not, however, ever own slaves (nor, presumably, did his parents or grandparents), so why should he be required to discuss something he personally never did?  Let's hope that we Deomcrats can to far better than weak arguments like that!

What McCain himself did is most relevant (e.g., his ongoing support for the stupid war in Iraq).  What his parents did is, perhaps, peripherally relevant.  Trying to nail McCain for what earlier generations of his family did merely tells the world that you haven't anything substantive to offer.


by BillCat on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:46:40 PM EST
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Re: Memory Lane: McCain's ancestors owned slaves (none / 0)

We'll have to agree to disagree.

I'm not looking for self-flagellation, but for someone who so ostentatiously embraces and trumpets heritage and tradition as McCain, whose family lineage is so intensely southern, should, out of simple honesty and respect for the mosaic of American history and how it impacts all of our lives, should at least mention it. That he doesn't at least make mention of it suggests political calculation and an unreflectiveness about the full texture of american history, and not just the part that happens on battlefields.


by blueflorida on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:41:00 PM EST
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Re: Memory Lane: McCain's ancestors owned slaves (2.00 / 2)

Is this really worth mentioning?  At the rate that Obama's ever expanding family tree is growing, I'm sure we'll hear he has ancestors who owned slaves as well.


by jimotto on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:27:35 AM EST

Re: Memory Lane: McCain's ancestors owned slaves (none / 0)

At the rate that Obama's ever expanding family tree is growing, I'm sure we'll hear he has ancestors who owned slaves as well.

We already did.

The point is that McCain and his campaign could be using this as a teachable moment -- instead, they're running from it. Not cool, in my book. Republicans, especially, need to confront this stuff.


by blueflorida on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:36:08 AM EST
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Confront this stuff - (2.00 / 2)

when there's a world of war, blood, income disparity, poverty, torture, foreclosure, maimed veterans not getting much help, loss of billions in Iraq  --- on and on.

This seems pretty far down the confrontation list - to me anyway. He may have to make a statement but I hardly think it should be a major domestic speech.


by Xanthe on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:56:37 AM EST
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Re: Confront this stuff - (none / 0)

That's fair.


by blueflorida on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:58:48 AM EST
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Re: Memory Lane: McCain's ancestors owned slaves (none / 0)

We can paint him as nutcase now. He can use this against him and drive down his numbers with indies. The race is on now to define him.


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by KathyM on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:43:44 AM EST

Re: Your diary is stupid (2.00 / 3)

Read this:

According to the research, one of Obama's great-great-great-great grandfathers, George Washington Overall, owned two slaves who were recorded in the 1850 Census in Nelson County, Ky. The same records show that one of Obama's great-great-great-great-great-grandmothe rs, Mary Duvall, also owned two slaves.

Obama him self claimed that his mother's side of the family owned slaves in his speech. It is also possible that his father's side of the family migh have sold slaves in Africa.

My advice let us not go there.

Here is the link:
http://wonkette.com/politics/barack-obam a/breaking-obamas-ancestors-enslaved-sha rpton-family-241048.php


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by indydem99 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:44:11 AM EST

Re: Your diary is stupid (none / 0)

See my comment above...this is not news to me. My point in bringing this up is that for McCain to go to  Mississippi celebrating his family's military heritage exclusively while not mentioning that his family owned slaves (this is not a triviality, especially given that part of the military heritage he celebrates includes family service on behalf of the Confederacy), is a missed opportunity to teach and celebrate the true history of freedom and change in his own and America's history, not to mention it's being a tad disingenuous.


by blueflorida on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:52:12 AM EST
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Re: Your diary is stupid (2.00 / 2)

Do you understand how most white people will take garbage like this ?

Do you think focusing on this will help Obama or any democrat for that matter?

As it is, Obama will be extremely lucky to get 30% of All White voters in the General election, & you want to USE SLAVERY as a campaign tool.

Go ahead. Use McCain's slave owners ancestors as Obama's campaign slogan. Then, watch how RAPIDLY even White Democrats abandon Obama.


by labanman on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:09:05 AM EST
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Re: Your diary is stupid (none / 0)


Do you understand how most white people will take garbage like this ?

Well, since you've appointed yourself spokesman for all white people, perhaps you can tell me.


Do you think focusing on this will help Obama or any democrat for that matter?

John McCain is in Mississippi TODAY discussing specifically the subject of his family history. I can't fully gauge the politics of it, but I do know that at least mentioning it would be (1) honest, (2) relevant, and (3) an act of leadership that would further help heal old wounds. He failed on all three counts.


As it is, Obama will be extremely lucky to get 30% of All White voters in the General election, & you want to USE SLAVERY as a campaign tool.

Go ahead. Use McCain's slave owners ancestors as Obama's campaign slogan. Then, watch how RAPIDLY even White Democrats abandon Obama.

None of this is really worthy of a response, but to summarize my position -- this is about keeping John McCain honest and providing historical context for what will be a major news item today. I feel perfectly comfortable in bringing it up -- today.


by blueflorida on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:29:20 AM EST
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Re: Memory Lane: McCain's ancestors owned slaves (2.00 / 2)

My ancestors were slave owners, too.  Should I be thrown off this blog because of it?  What's your point here with McCain?  And fyi, Obama's ancestors were slave owners, as well. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/mar /04/uselections2008.barackobama  Should he be required to mention it in every speech?


by Caldonia on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:08:57 AM EST

Re: Memory Lane: McCain's ancestors owned slaves (1.00 / 1)

First of all, this diary has NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA. Second, I resent the fact that you think that tossing out Obama's ancestral history is (1) news (clue: read the other comments); (2) relevant to John McCain and the fact that he's giving a speech today in Mississippi celebrating his family heritage. It's important context, and it could have been handled honorably, rather than ignored.

Get a grip.


by blueflorida on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:20:38 AM EST
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Re: Memory Lane: McCain's ancestors owned slaves (2.00 / 1)

It appears it is you who should be doing the "gripping."  Cheers.


by Caldonia on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:22:40 AM EST
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All of our ancestors were both slaves and slave ow (2.00 / 1)

All of our ancestors were both slaves and slave owners..

For the most part..

Scroll up to see my post... look for the word.. 'slav'


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:58:55 AM EST
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This is silly (2.00 / 4)

Mccain is to blame for his ancestor's actions more than a century ago?
by Mayor McCheese on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:24:59 AM EST

Re: Memory Lane: McCain's ancestors owned slaves (2.00 / 3)

Millions of Americans, white and black, have ancestors who owned slaves.  Do we all have to make an anti-slavery speech each time we say anything good about our ancestors?  Let's not go there.  


by costanoan on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:33:23 AM EST

The reason slave ownership was already going out (2.00 / 1)

of style by the time of the Civil War was that it was too expensive. Under modern industrial capitalism, the costs are actually lower, because there is no societal expectation of a 'living wage' in modern America. When you look at the lifetime cost of a slave, its actually fairly high, higher than would be supported by today's minimum wage jobs. Low wages are not sustainable, in that one could not live on them, raise a family to the point where one replaced one's self. America's growth has been based on an implicit promise of FUTURE PROSPERITY which has depended to no small amount on the expectations fueled by past colonialism.

now that there are no longer external 'colonies' to exploit, our ruling institutions, hungry for the profits they expect, are turning inward and treating people in the heartland as they used to treat the people of colonial nations.

Their attitude is "everyone else is doing it, why can't I?"

Thats what we hope to stop with Hillary. Clearly, Obama doesn't intend to stop it, as shown by his healthcare plan which is a huge present to the insurance companies, given the HUGE majority in favor of REAL universal healthcare.

Hillary's plan isn't completely what people want either, but at least it is a step in the right direction..

If you are interested in reading a remarkably candid explation of the economics of conolialism, I would suggest seeking out some of the writings of Cecil Rhodes.. he was sort of its patron 'saint' in the modern era.

Its actually pretty ugly, but it will open your eyes as to the REAL forces that drive modern society.

Think of governments sort of as pyramid schemes or MLM that try to pay off the investors that get in on the ground floor with the sweat and blood of the later investors, who often get ripped off.

All those immigrants who came to the US on the promises made in the social contract are doing well, if they are willing to work 60 hrs/week. but the people who just sit around expecting for their living standard to keep going up are in serious denial. It WONT.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:10:47 PM EST
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Re: Memory Lane: McCain's ancestors owned slaves (2.00 / 2)

I'm happy to go after McCain on MANY issues, but this isn't right.

I don't know for certain, but given my last name and my family's move (generations back) from the Carolinas to Indiana, I'm willing to bet that I have something similar in my family history.

Considering the fact that we can connect Obama and Hillary to MANY previous Presidents, I'm sure they do, as well.

If your family didn't immigrate post-Civil War or is KNOWN to have been 100% concentrated in the North...well, there's a chance that you're connected, too.

Let's focus on hitting McCain where he deserves it: Iraq, Iran, the economy, and a thousand other places.  This is just a very low form of politics.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:03:37 PM EST

We should concentrate on ending poverty (2.00 / 1)

not trying to carve out little fiefdoms of tenuous tort claims.

That is a cop-out, and just like affirmative action was for Richard Nixon, its a skillful and unfair way that is used by the cynical and greedy to divide people.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:15:08 PM EST
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Re: We should concentrate on ending poverty (none / 0)

What's a cop-out?


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:20:52 PM EST
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Re: Memory Lane: McCain's ancestors owned slaves (2.00 / 2)

Stories like this is why there is a huge portion of the Republican party that will NEVER vote Democrat. One of John McCain's greatests strenghts is his sense of fair play and equality. He is on record  as stating that 'I know Barack and I know that he doesn't agree with most of  Rev. Wrights controversial views."

THIS is the guy that you try to link with slavery ?!?

This story needs to die a quick death.


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by xodus1914 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:43:11 PM EST

Re: Memory Lane: McCain's ancestors owned slaves (none / 0)

By the way, I'm not the only one pointing out the absence of this bit of family history from McCain's remarks today. Jake Tapper, of ABCNews, also pointed this out this morning on his blog.


by blueflorida on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:50:19 PM EST


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